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By: Baby Fae – the cost of creationism | Treeweasels

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By: Ashley

Ashley — Sun, 04 Dec 2011 13:02:09 +0000

I cannot believe all the negative comments being said about Dr. Leonard L Bailey. I’m another one of his patients, and everyday I thank him for volunteering to perform my surgery. Without him, my life would have been shortened by more then half. He’s a beautiful caring man whose saved many lives.

Shame on any of you calling him a monster!

By: Withheld

Withheld — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 23:31:20 +0000

I am a close relative to “Baby Fae”. I totally agree with this article written by Kenneth Stoller MD. Tragic indeed. Our family never left the hospital. We camped out in the hospital waiting room. No question he used her as an opportunity to conduct his own experiment which the article clearly conveys.

By: el cid

el cid — Fri, 20 Aug 2010 18:41:32 +0000

Came across your post. I suggest you do some more research on the status of transplantation research at that time. While you knock Leonard Bailey, he was running state-of-the-art HLA typing (maybe MHC would be better). There was current research suggesting the infant immune system would be naive and subsequent research supported him. In truth, there were published opinions both ways. I won’t compile a complete set of references but here’s one part of the controversy. http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM200103153441102
Of course immunology has advanced greatly in the last 20 years but with some of the modern tolerance inducing drugs xenobiotic transplants may even make a comeback.

By: larry sanders

larry sanders — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:47:30 +0000

I can’t believe that doctor’s would do an inter-species transplant knowing it does not work. Crazy. Poor Roberta, I’m guessing they did not stick a baboon heart in her kid because the child’s life was saved. If they had stuck a baboon heart in her kid, the child would have died and Roberta probably would have written something else. Also, you don’t need to hold your dying child to have an opinion. Roberta did, so she believes that her and her alone has an entitlement to opinion on the matter. I think I’ll agree with all the other doctor’s of the world who simply understand the inter-species heart transplants where one side is human just does not work. So don’t do it. Hind sight is 20/20. In the end, they will say…”Oh yeah, what were we thinking, we should have tried transplanting a human heart instead of a baboon’s. That might have worked better since monkey hearts don’t work in humans.”

It also must be nice believing God gave you back your child. Now you are validated by having the Host of Host’s stop his busy schedule to save your child that day, but not the thousand’s of other children that died that very same day.

I’ve never held a dying child, nor would I allow a doctor to put a baboon heart in my child. I also think that the people involved in this, doctors and media, as well as the people like Roberta, are all crazy. Some big mass hysteria that has taken over and allowed people to act with out any reason. I’m so glad my parents did not let doctor’s try that crap with me when I was a child and unable to speak up for myself.

By: Esther

Esther — Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:35:37 +0000

Seeing this list of failed attempts with human and animal lives, I wonder which SICK motives does a doctor has when suggesting this xeno-transplantation. This baby Fae incident should never happened. But I guess doctor thing themselves gods. I cannot believe that a church supported this. Well religious people have already lost their minds.

By: ROBERTA SHEETS

ROBERTA SHEETS — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 07:50:05 +0000

My sons life was saved by Dr.Bailey and his team 15 years ago. He had several heart defects and was in cardiac arrest at 10 days old from these anomalies. I see a lot of judgement on these comments but I wonder if any are from a mother or father who have held their dying child in their arms? I watched the life fade from my childs face and body and remember almost hitting the floor when a nurse picked me up and carried me outside. He was gone for a second or more~ enough to let me know I would never see him breath again. Luckily, GOD himself handed him back to us through Dr. Baileys hands. I think until you have personally held your own dying child, your opinions should be kept to yourself. I am truly a God fearing and loveing Christian woman and I beleive that all knowledge is God given. How else would this MAN hold life in his hands as he does everyday?

By: askland

askland — Wed, 10 Sep 2008 08:07:18 +0000

Thank you for the info. Corrections and additions always accepted warmly. Appreciate it!

By: Not Quite Right

Not Quite Right — Mon, 08 Sep 2008 21:58:03 +0000

Many of the facts in this are wrong or skewed so that it will support your position. For instance in 1984 the Norwood Procedure was very unsuccessful. Today it’s quite successful, however, this was not the case in 1984. A human heart was not sought because there was no viable way to get an infant heart for transplant in 1984 (an infant heart transplant had never been done before). Thanks in large part to Baby Fae organ donations have gone up and procurement agencies are much better.

By: A Friend

A Friend — Tue, 10 Jul 2007 04:53:07 +0000

XENO HISTORY: 1628: Sheep blood transfused to humans in Padua, Italy. 1682: Bones from dogâ€s skull transplanted into head of wounded soldier. 1800â€s: Sheep blood injected into wayward husbands and troublemakers in England to make them calm, or at least sick. Skin cut from living frogs and put on human burns and ulcers. Size of graft was determined by the wriggling of the frogs trying to escape. 1906: Princteauâ€s failed attempts to transplant rabbit kidney sections into humans. 1910: Ernst Unger puts monkey kidneys into a human. They failed, as did his transplanting a kidney from a stillborn baby into a Baboon.145 1913: Serge Voronoff transplants chimp thyroid into boy aged 14. Failed. 1914: Sheepâ€s blood transfused to wounded soldiers. 1914: Bone transplant from animal to wounded soldier in France by Russian surgeon Serge Voronoff.146 1920-1923: Serge Voronoff does a series of testicle transplants from monkeys and chimpanzees to elderly men who reported renewed vigour.147 His achievement was celebrated on ashtrays engraved with little jokes about improved performance. 1923: Neuhof transplanted a sheep kidney into a human patient who died nine days later. 1958: First successful heart transplant, from one dog to another, by Norman Shumway in the United States. Shumway was a superior surgeon to Christiann Barnard and had more concern for his human patients. He was capable of beating Barnard to the first human heart transplant but knew that organ rejection would kill the recipient and was reluctant to proceed until that problem was more understood. 1963: Keith Reemtsma of the United States transplanted a chimpanzee kidney into a human patient who lasted 63 days. Another one lived nine months with the kidney operating for six. 1964: Dr James Hardy of Mississippi did the first heart transplant from a chimpanzee into a human. The hospital allowed the consenting relatives to believe the new heart would be from a human. You can imagine the surprise when they discovered their child got a chimpâ€s heart. The kid died during surgery.148 1965: Tom Starzl, aka Tom FrankenStarzl, did six baboon-to-human kidney transplants. All kidneys survived hyperacute rejection but were destroyed within two months from human immune system attacks. One set of kidneys produced fifty litres of urine in 24 hours, which killed the patient.149 1966 to 1973: Tom Starzl transplanted three livers from chimpanzees to children. All died within fourteen days. 1968: Denton Cooley in Houston, Texas transplanted a sheepâ€s heart into a human patient. Donald Ross in London, England transplanted a pigâ€s heart into another human. Both hearts were attacked within minutes by the patientâ€s immune systems and they died. 1977: Christiaan Barnard transplanted two chimpanzee and baboon hearts to humans as auxiliaries until their own hearts could recover. The chimpanzee heart was rejected after four days. The baboon heart wasnâ€t big enough to support circulation. Both patients died when their own hearts failed to recover. 1984: Dr Leonard L. Bailey, of Loma Linda Seventh-day Adventist Hospital in California, put a Baboon heart into a baby girl called Fae. The kid lasted twenty days. Dr Bailey said it gave him good practice. The hospital got 75 complaints about cruelty to Fae and 13,000 for the Baboon. Leonard Bailey was advised to wear a bulletproof vest. It was ironical that a church specialising in vegetarianism would be a leader in human and xeno transplanting. 1992: Pig heart to human performed in Sosnowiec, Poland. It failed and the patient died. 1993: Leonard Makowka put a pig liver into a human. It failed. 1992 and 1993: Tom Starzl did two baboon to human liver transplants. Both patients died. One lived seventy days. Protesters picketed his house calling him Tom FrankenStarzl. The name stuck. 1996: Pig heart transplanted into a human in India. Patient died and the surgeon was jailed. When he got out he said he was going to do more.